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A UK based Emergency Medicine podcast for anyone who works in emergency care. The St Emlyn ’s team are all passionate educators and clinicians who strive to bring you the best evidence based education. Our four pillars of learning are evidence-based medicine, clinical excellence, personal development and the philosophical overview of emergency care. We have a strong academic faculty and reputation for high quality education presented through multimedia platforms and articles. St Emlyn’s is a name given to a fictionalised emergency care system. This online clinical space is designed to allow clinical care to be discussed without compromising the safety or confidentiality of patients or clinicians.
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Thursday May 31, 2018
Ep 112 - Acute Psychiatric Emergencies in the ED.
Thursday May 31, 2018
Thursday May 31, 2018
The Importance of Acute Psychiatric Emergencies Training: Insights from the St Emlyn's Podcast
Introduction
Welcome to the St Emlyn's blog, where we delve into the latest topics and developments in emergency medicine. Today, we explore a crucial yet often overlooked aspect of our field: acute psychiatric emergencies. This post summarizes a recent conversation between Simon Carley and Kevin McRey Jones, highlighting the significance of addressing psychiatric emergencies within emergency departments. We will shed light on the Apex course, its methodologies, and the vital need for integrating psychiatric care into emergency medicine.
Addressing the Gap in Psychiatric Emergency Care
Kevin McRey Jones, a key figure in emergency medicine, recently joined the St Emlyn's podcast to discuss the Apex course, an initiative designed to fill a significant gap in emergency medicine training. Despite considerable advancements in managing various medical emergencies, psychiatric emergencies often remain underemphasized.
The Apex course addresses this gap by focusing specifically on acute psychiatric emergencies. Kevin explained that while many advancements have been made in managing cardiac, trauma, and obstetric emergencies, psychiatry has not received the same systematic approach. This has led to a fragmented care model where physical and psychological components are often treated separately.
The Origins and Purpose of the Apex Course
The Apex course, originating in 1992 with the Advanced Life Support Group, was created to systematize the training for managing acute psychiatric emergencies. Kevin, who has a long history of organizing and delivering courses in emergency medicine, emphasized the need for a unified approach to patient care. The course aims to bridge the gap between emergency physicians and psychiatrists, promoting a co-ownership model of patient management.
Why Psychiatric Emergencies are Often Overlooked
One major reason psychiatric emergencies have not received the same attention as other medical emergencies is the perception that these are problems best handled by psychiatrists or liaison nurses. This mindset leads to a tendency to pass psychiatric cases off to specialists rather than integrating psychiatric care into the emergency department's responsibilities.
Kevin highlighted a common issue where patients with both physical and psychological illnesses are often divided into two separate cases: the physical bit managed by emergency physicians and the psychological bit by psychiatrists. This division can lead to suboptimal care and poor outcomes, as the interconnected nature of these issues is overlooked.
The Consequences of Ignoring Psychiatric Components
Ignoring the psychiatric component of patient care can have severe consequences. Kevin pointed out that patients with psychiatric diseases often have poor outcomes regarding their physical health. This is largely because their physical ailments can be neglected due to the focus on their psychological issues.
Simon added that the outcomes for patients with psychiatric diseases, in terms of their physical health, are often terrible. This emphasizes the need for a more integrated approach to patient care, where both physical and psychological aspects are managed simultaneously.
The Need for Integrated Care
Kevin stressed the importance of co-owning the problem rather than treating psychiatric emergencies as the sole responsibility of psychiatrists. By doing so, emergency departments can provide more comprehensive care, addressing both physical and psychological needs. This integrated approach is essential for improving patient outcomes and ensuring that all aspects of a patient's health are considered.
Common Practices and Their Pitfalls
Simon discussed a common practice in emergency departments where patients presenting with apparent psychiatric problems are often assessed solely for physical issues before being referred to psychiatric specialists. This "clear them medically" approach can lead to delays in psychiatric care and inadequate management of the patient's overall condition.
Kevin acknowledged this issue and emphasized the need for emergency physicians to be involved in the psychiatric assessment and management of these patients. This approach ensures that all aspects of the patient's health are addressed, leading to better outcomes.
Rethinking Emergency Care for Psychiatric Patients
Simon reflected on the current practices and highlighted the need for change. The idea of dividing patient care into physical and psychological components, with little overlap, is increasingly seen as problematic. Kevin agreed, noting that sometimes organic problems can be overlooked when patients are quickly referred to psychiatric care without a thorough assessment.
The Apex Approach: AIOU Methodology
The Apex course introduces the AIOU methodology, designed to integrate psychiatric and medical care seamlessly. This structured approach includes:
- A: Assessment of aggression and agitation.
- E: Environment in which the patient is assessed.
- I: Intent of the patient, including suicidal ideation or harm to others.
- O: Objects the patient may use to carry out their intent.
- U: Unified assessment, combining both physical and psychological evaluations.
Implementing the AIOU Methodology
Kevin explained that the AIOU methodology is a co-created approach by psychiatrists and emergency physicians. This collaboration ensures that both physical and psychological aspects of patient care are addressed. The methodology aligns with the primary assessment, resuscitation, and definitive care phases familiar to emergency physicians.
Addressing Challenges in Psychiatric Emergency Care
Rapid tranquilization is a common concern in managing psychiatric emergencies. Kevin emphasized that the goal is to use the minimum level of intervention required, whether that involves oral medication or, if necessary, safe rapid tranquilization. The course teaches a balanced approach to ensure patient safety and effective management.
The Role of Risk Assessment
Psychiatry is a risk-driven specialty, focusing on assessing risks of violence, flight, and harm to self and others. Kevin highlighted the importance of minimizing these risks through a structured, systematic approach. This methodology allows for a comprehensive evaluation and management plan that addresses both immediate and long-term risks.
Structured Approach to Both Psychiatric and Physical Assessment
The Apex course emphasizes a structured approach to both psychiatric and physical assessments. This dual-focus ensures that all aspects of a patient's health are considered, leading to more comprehensive and effective care.
Collaboration Between Psychiatrists and Emergency Physicians
The course promotes collaboration between psychiatrists and emergency physicians, encouraging them to learn from each other and develop joint solutions to patient care challenges. This partnership is essential for providing holistic care and improving patient outcomes.
Co-Assessment and Risk Management
The course highlights the importance of co-assessment and risk management. By working together, psychiatrists and emergency physicians can provide a more unified approach to patient care, addressing both physical and psychological needs simultaneously.
Substance Abuse and Psychiatric Symptoms
Substance abuse often complicates psychiatric emergencies. The Apex course takes a symptom-based approach, focusing on the specific challenges presented by patients with delirium, confusion, aggression, and self-harm. This approach allows for a more tailored and effective management plan.
Prevalence and Importance of Addressing Psychiatric Emergencies
Psychiatric emergencies are more common than many realize. Kevin noted that about 5% of patients in emergency departments present with direct psychological or psychiatric symptoms. Including substance abuse and alcohol-related cases, this number can rise significantly. Addressing these emergencies systematically is crucial for improving patient care and outcomes.
Conclusion
The Apex course represents a significant advancement in the training and management of acute psychiatric emergencies. By promoting a unified approach to patient care, it addresses a critical gap in emergency medicine. Collaboration between psychiatrists and emergency physicians is essential for providing comprehensive care and improving patient outcomes. For more information on the Apex course and upcoming training sessions, visit the Advanced Life Support Group's website.
Final Thoughts
Reflecting on the discussion, Simon emphasized the importance of integrating psychiatric care into emergency medicine. The dichotomy approach, where physical and psychological issues are treated separately, is increasingly seen as inadequate. The Apex course offers a pathway to more comprehensive, patient-focused care, ensuring that all aspects of a patient's health are addressed.
How to Learn More
For those interested in learning more about the Apex course and upcoming training sessions, visit the Advanced Life Support Group's website at www.alsg.org. The course is offered in various locations, providing opportunities for emergency physicians and psychiatrists to enhance their skills and knowledge in managing acute psychiatric emergencies.
By embracing this integrated approach, we can ensure that patients receive the comprehensive care they need, improving outcomes and advancing the field of emergency medicine.

Saturday May 26, 2018
Ep 111 - April 2018 Round Up
Saturday May 26, 2018
Saturday May 26, 2018
St Emlyn's Podcast: April Review and Key Insights
Welcome to the St. Emlyn’s podcast, your monthly source for insightful discussions and reviews from the world of emergency medicine. I’m Iain Beardsell, and alongside me is Simon Carley. In this edition, we're diving into the posts we’ve covered on our blog in April. After a grueling winter, we are finally catching up. We’re recording this in May, and it's a significant achievement for us. Let’s delve into the highlights and key takeaways from April.
Catching Up with St. Emlyn’s
Firstly, Simon and I are thrilled to be back on track. The sun is shining, signaling the end of winter here in the UK, and we’re embracing the spring warmth. Before we dive into the specifics, Simon, you’ve been traveling quite a bit recently. Can you share some of your experiences?
Travels and Learnings from Graz, Austria
Simon: Indeed, Iain. Recently, I had the privilege of visiting Graz, Austria, a beautiful city where I was invited by the NordDoc and the Austrian Society of Emergency Medicine. We attended the ninth Congress, or as they say in German, "Abit's Goermanneshaft for Notfallmedizin." It was an enlightening experience, despite my initial challenges with the language.
The hospitality in Graz was exceptional, and the city itself is stunning. Emergency medicine in Austria is still in its nascent stages, but the enthusiasm and energy among the young physicians were palpable. The simultaneous translation during presentations was a unique experience. I also conducted sessions on feedback and ultrasound teaching, which were well-received.
Iain: That sounds incredible, Simon. It’s always inspiring to see how different countries are integrating emergency medicine into their healthcare systems. Let’s move on to the main topics we covered in April.
Key Highlights from April's Blog Posts
Feedback and Coaching in Emergency Medicine
Iain: One of the key discussions in April was about feedback and coaching, a topic Simon presented in Austria. Feedback is crucial for continuous improvement in emergency medicine. Simon, can you elaborate on your main messages from the talk?
Simon: Absolutely, Iain. Feedback is essential for growth, and there are three main types: appreciation, coaching, and evaluation. One common issue is when these types are confused. For instance, after a challenging night shift, if a consultant gives a detailed coaching session instead of simple appreciation, it can be demoralizing. It’s crucial to match the feedback to the context and needs of the receiver. This ensures the feedback is purposeful and effective.
Understanding Diagnostic Tests: Beyond Black and White
Rick's post from April 10th delved into the nuances of diagnostic tests, emphasizing that results are not merely positive or negative but often fall into a gray area. Simon, can you shed more light on this?
Simon: Diagnostic tests in emergency medicine are indeed complex. Take troponin levels, for instance. A troponin of 2000 is vastly different from a troponin of 15, although both might be labeled positive. Understanding the probabilistic nature of diagnostics is crucial. Rick's post does a fantastic job explaining this with examples, especially around acute coronary syndrome. We use a T-max calculator in Manchester to determine the likelihood of ACS based on various factors, including troponin levels. This probabilistic approach is vital for accurate diagnostics.
Lessons from the War: Insights from Ashley Liebig and Noah Galway
Another powerful post in April was Ashley Liebig's discussion with Noah Galway about their experiences during the Iraq war. Their insights provide a stark contrast to typical emergency department scenarios. Iain, what stood out to you in this post?
Iain: The personal bond formed between Ashley and Noah through shared traumatic experiences is profound. Unlike the typical patient-doctor dynamic in emergency departments, battlefield medicine creates a deep, enduring connection. This post reminded me that the emotional and psychological impacts of medicine are just as significant as the physical treatments. Noah’s journey, from experiencing trauma to achieving remarkable feats like participating in the US version of Strictly Ballroom, is truly inspiring.
Pediatric Trauma and the Use of Whole Body CT
We also discussed the use of whole-body CT in pediatric trauma patients. Simon, can you summarize the findings from this journal club article?
Simon: Certainly. Whole-body CT is a common practice in adult trauma but its utility in pediatric trauma is questionable. A multi-center cohort study from the National Trauma Data Bank in the US found that focused CT is often more appropriate for children. In Manchester, we rarely perform whole-body CTs on pediatric patients unless there's a significant mechanism of injury. The radiation risks and the lower incidence of severe injuries in children make focused CT a safer and more effective choice.
Complications of Anticoagulation: Managing Bleeding Risks
Dan Horner's professorial lecture on the complications of anticoagulation and how to manage them was another highlight. Simon, what were the key takeaways from Dan's talk?
Simon: The sheer number of patients on anticoagulants in the UK, approximately 660,000, underscores the importance of this topic. Bleeding is a significant risk, and managing it, especially with the newer DOACs, is challenging. Dan provided practical advice on handling bleeding complications, including when specific antidotes are unavailable. Understanding these risks and management strategies is crucial for emergency physicians.
Top 10 Trauma Papers: Insights and Innovations
In another significant event, I presented the top 10 trauma papers at the Trauma UK conference. This talk was later featured on the Resusary podcast with Simon Lang. It's always a pleasure to delve into the latest research and innovations in trauma care.
Iain: That sounds fantastic, Simon. For those interested, the blog post contains all the details and links to the podcast. If you have any suggestions or think we've missed some crucial papers, do let us know.
Penetrating Trauma in Philadelphia: Lessons from the Frontline
Zak Stein, who trained with us in Manchester and now works in Philadelphia, shared insights on penetrating trauma. Interestingly, patients arriving by police or private vehicle have higher survival rates compared to those transported by ambulance. Simon, what are your thoughts on this practice?
Simon: The practice in Philadelphia highlights the time-critical nature of penetrating trauma. Quick transport to the ED, even by police or private vehicle, can significantly improve survival rates. In the UK, scene times can be prolonged, especially if the scene is unsafe. This practice makes us reconsider our approach to time-critical conditions. It's a balance between ensuring safety and providing timely care.
The Resuscitationist’s Guide to Health and Wellbeing
Our final post in April was the launch of "The Resuscitationist’s Guide to Health and Wellbeing," a comprehensive resource compiled from our blog posts. Simon, this has been a significant project for you. Can you tell us more about it?
Simon: This book is part of our ongoing effort to promote wellbeing among emergency medicine professionals. It includes practical tips on managing night shifts, reflective pieces on coping with difficult situations, and much more. Wellbeing is one of the four pillars of St. Emlyn’s, along with the philosophy of emergency medicine, evidence-based medicine, and clinical excellence. We hope this book will be a valuable resource for our community. It’s available for free, so please read and share it widely.
Conclusion and Future Directions
April was a busy month for us at St. Emlyn’s, filled with travel, conferences, and insightful blog posts. We’re excited about what’s coming up in the future. We have a busy summer ahead, including the emergency surgical skills course with Caroline Leach in Manchester and our St. Emlyn’s live and teaching co-op course in October. Tickets are selling fast, so grab yours soon.
Before we sign off, a quick mention of the Bad E.M. Fest, which was a spectacular event. We’ll discuss it in more detail in future posts and podcasts. For now, you can read the four blog posts we’ve published about it so far.
Iain: It’s always fun to chat with you all. We hope everyone is enjoying the spring sunshine and looking forward to the summer. Simon, any final thoughts?
Simon: Just one, Iain. Are we the only emergency medicine podcast that talks about the weather at the beginning and end of every episode? It seems like the most British thing ever.
Iain: It's hugely important, Simon. Maybe next time, we’ll focus entirely on the weather! Until then, enjoy the sunshine and take care, everyone.
Thank you for joining us for this edition of the St. Emlyn’s podcast. Stay tuned for more insights and discussions, and don’t forget to check out our blog for the latest posts and updates.

Thursday May 17, 2018
Ep 110 - March 2018 Round Up
Thursday May 17, 2018
Thursday May 17, 2018
March 2018 Roundup: Evidence-Based Medicine and Exciting Announcements at St Emlyn's
Welcome to the Centeminine's podcast monthly roundup for March 2018! This post delves into key highlights from our blog, discussing critical topics in evidence-based medicine and sharing exciting upcoming events. Let's dive in!
Catching Up After Winter
As the harsh winter fades, we’re catching up with several important topics from March. Despite the seasonal lag, there's a lot happening in the world of evidence-based medicine. Our blog has been buzzing with insightful posts, and we encourage you to explore the rich content we have curated for you.
Exciting Upcoming Events
Before diving into March's blog posts, let's highlight some exciting events on the horizon. We are thrilled to announce St Emlyn's Live and the Teaching Course in Manchester. If you're planning your study leave for the next 12 months, these are opportunities you won't want to miss.
St Emlyn's Live
St Emlyn's Live is shaping up to be an unmissable event. Scheduled for October in Manchester, this event promises a blend of learning and fun, with the added bonus of Manchester's unique charm—where the sun always shines (psychologically and philosophically, if not literally). Check our website for more details and secure your spot. We’re putting immense effort into making this event exceptional, ensuring it’s worth both your time and money.
The Teaching Course in Manchester
Alongside St Emlyn's Live, we have our renowned Teaching Course in Manchester. As you consider your professional development for the year, keep in mind the benefits of attending a well-structured, impactful course like ours. We're confident you'll find it a valuable investment in your career.
Evidence-Based Medicine: The Great IV Fluid Debate
One of the standout topics in March has been the ongoing debate over IV fluids in critically ill patients. This subject stirs significant anxiety and diverse opinions across departments and even within the same hospital.
The Normal Saline vs. Balanced Fluids Debate
The crux of the debate revolves around whether to use normal saline or balanced fluids such as Hartmann's or Plasmalyte. The evidence to date has been mixed, leading to differing practices. Our colleagues down under published the SPLIT trial a few years ago, finding no significant difference, but the sample size at the time limited the conclusions.
Recent Trials in the New England Journal of Medicine
Recently, two significant trials published in the New England Journal of Medicine have shed more light on this issue. These trials investigated the effects of balanced crystalloid versus saline in critically ill patients and emergency department patients admitted to the wards.
Cluster Randomized Trials
The trials used a cluster randomized design, where units were randomized to administer either balanced crystalloid (lactated Ringer's or Plasmalyte) or saline for a period before crossing over. With over 15,000 participants in each study, the findings are quite robust.
Key Findings
The trials revealed a small but significant difference in major kidney events in the critical care group (14.3% vs. 15.4%), suggesting a potential benefit of balanced fluids. While the mortality difference was not as pronounced, these results could have important implications for global intensive care practices.
Practical Implications in Emergency Medicine
As emergency physicians, how do these findings influence our practice? Over the past few years, there's been a shift towards more frequent use of balanced solutions, driven by a sound physiological rationale. Although the exact clinical significance of hyperchloremic acidosis from saline remains debated, the pathophysiological argument for balanced fluids is compelling.
Local Practices and Preferences
In our practice, preferences vary. For instance, our neurointensive care unit favors saline for patients with specific neurological issues, as explained in a podcast with Dr. John Hell from Southampton. For general use, Hartmann's is often the go-to solution.
Teaching the Next Generation
We emphasize the importance of fluids in emergency medicine to our new doctors. With only four main treatments—oxygen, analgesia, antibiotics, and fluids—it’s crucial to administer fluids effectively. While the choice of fluid might not be critical initially, ensuring the right volume is given can make a significant difference.
The Teaching Course in Cape Town
Another highlight from March was the successful teaching course in Cape Town. This course will be replicated later this year in Manchester, offering an excellent opportunity for hands-on learning and professional growth.
Success in South Africa
The Cape Town course was a resounding success, providing valuable insights and skills to all participants. The feedback was overwhelmingly positive, highlighting the course's effectiveness and the enriching experience it provided.
Chris Weymouth’s Experience
Chris Weymouth, a UK-trained physician, shared his experience working in a rural South African hospital. His story underscores the importance of structured and well-supported international placements. Such experiences not only enhance clinical skills but also foster personal growth and resilience.
Cardiac Arrest: Predicting Outcomes with Pupil Responses
Our final major topic for March revolves around predicting outcomes in cardiac arrest, specifically through pupil responses. This topic, close to our hearts, is critical for making informed decisions during resuscitations.
The Study from France
A recent study from France, analyzing over 11,000 cardiac arrests, examined whether early pupil responses could predict outcomes. The findings were intriguing but not definitive.
Sensitivity and Specificity
The study found that the absence of a pupillary light reflex is a poor prognostic sign, but with only 72% sensitivity and 68.8% specificity, it’s not conclusive enough to base critical decisions on.
The Gray Areas in Resuscitation
Deciding when to stop resuscitation remains one of the most challenging aspects of emergency medicine. While some cases are clear-cut, many fall into a gray area, making it difficult to determine the right course of action.
ECPR and Prolonged Arrests
With emerging technologies like ECPR (Extracorporeal Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation) and reports of remarkable recoveries from prolonged arrests, the decision to stop becomes even more complex. In young patients with no prior morbidity, the stakes are even higher, and the decision requires careful consideration and often consultation with colleagues.
Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts
As we wrap up our March roundup, we look forward to several upcoming events and ongoing discussions. The St Emlyn's team will be speaking at the Retrieval Conference in Scotland in April, and we have a variety of summer events lined up.
Join Us at St Emlyn's Live
Don't forget to join us at St Emlyn's Live in October. This event promises to be a highlight of the year, offering a blend of cutting-edge medical insights and networking opportunities. Check our website for all the details and secure your spot today.
Stay Tuned for More
We'll be back in May with updates on April's posts and more engaging content. Until then, keep enjoying your emergency medicine practice, take care of yourselves and your patients, and stay connected with the St Emlyn's community.
Conclusion
March has been a month filled with significant developments in evidence-based medicine, exciting course announcements, and thought-provoking discussions. As always, our goal is to provide you with the best possible insights to enhance your practice and support your professional growth. Thank you for being part of the St Emlyn's community. We look forward to engaging with you through our blog, podcasts, and upcoming events.